by Harry
2nd Phil Nat’l Table Tennis Championship kicks-off October
| THE TATAP Coaching Committee, Table Tennis Association of the Philippines (TATAP), is announcing the coming 2nd Philippine National table Tennis Championship on October 26 to 30, 2009 at the Multi-Purpose Arena, Philsports Arena in Pasig City.
TATAP vice-president and coaching committee chairman PO3 Jose Ortalla Jr. said that the association will organize the national event for the second time after it successfully held the first Philippine Open last year where it attracted 75 local government units around the Philippines.
“It’s fortunate that our first tournament turned out successful and we’re hoping the coming tourney will be more successful too,” said Ortalla, who is inviting all the top five players of every city or province duly endorsed by their respective mayors or governors.
Ortalla said the winners of the tournaments will represent the country in the coming Laos 25th Southeast Asian Games (SEAG) in December. “I’m expecting this year’s tournament will be so tough because it is also a qualifying game for SEA Games.”
Philippine National Police (PNP)-Butterfly, the last year’s men’s team champion, is expected to face stiff competition this year due to the presence of powerhouse squads all over the Philippines especially from Visayas and Mindanao regions.
Ortalla Jr. said that there are 10 events for the tournaments. They are Men’s and Women’s team events, Men’s and Women’s singles events, Men’s and Women’s doubles, Mixed doubles, Boy’s and Girl’s 17-year-old and Under events and Hard Bat ‘Liha’ Competition.
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[“It’s fortunate that our first tournament turned out successful and we’re hoping the coming tourney will be more successful too,” said Ortalla, who is inviting all the top five players of every city or province duly endorsed by their respective mayors or governors.] -> sino kaya ang gagastos sa mga players coming from the provinces? KKB? or their local governments’ help? paano ba proceso nito?
but this could be very interesting kung sino-sino ang mga players coming from each regions. i’m particularly interested sa visayas-mindanao regions. anybody can fill out predictions (only)?
* Region 6 (western visayas, around Iloilo) -
* Region 7 (central visayas, around Cebu) -
* Region 8 (eastern visayas, around Tacloban) -
* Region 9 (Zamboanga peninsula) -
* Region 10 (nothern mindanao, around CDO) – Ian Lariba, Joseph Amba, …
* Region 11 (Davao) -
* Region 12 (around Koronadal City) -
* Region 13 (Butuan City, Agusan & Surigao) -
* ARMM (around Cotabato City) -
sana may prepared invitation sa site nila to be downloaded addressed to the local LGUs or coursed thru the DILG para mas maganda
@patrick
Dapat ganyan talaga.
@ryanp
malamang local government, sana nga.
di naman pwede i-handle ng tatap yan kasi walang budget dahil sa friction nila vs PSC.
then how come it is called a “national” association, dapat siguro table tennis association of Mania na lang ang tawag sa kanila
Hahaha.
Let’s wait nalang, malay natin may budget sila kahit walang tulong ng PSC tulad ng lakad nila sa Thailand last month.
that was table tennis association of Manila, sorry for that
sana nga mag rotate sila ng location para patas…
oo nga sir noh? marami pa kayang mga players na magaling, kaso lang, la lang silang budget para makasali sa mga tournaments.
kaya nga lgu
lgu ang gagastos sa trip ng player
liha sa ultra yan ang the most significant of all
nothing more
this year at last year liha sa utube that shocked the world !
at bigla philipines nasa mapa ng world table tennis
for me the rest is just a regular goma competition lang.– nothing more or new.
pete
Bakit mag pa tournament pa sila for the selection? sana nakisaw-saw na lang sila sa Milo Little Olympics or Phil Olympic Festival at wala pa silang gastusin!
di ko alam significance nito
para saakin liha lang may signifince nito
dahil. galing sa malayong province mga lihador. na bihira mangyari ito.
and yet saling pusa lang naman ang liha but yet significance
pete
si pete talaga puro liha hehehehe
sorry patrick
im not a former lihador – but a pure gomador dati
and had reached height with goma before.
and now just converted to” tai chi” of pingpong – which is—- liha
and i will try to reached height with filipino liha – internationally,.
para may place tayo sa ittf. or someother way.
at makilala ang filipino ponger- in a way,.
nevertheless, sagutin ko daw ,mag sponsor daw ako” uli uli” sa liha
for the second time. ultra
naku. ayan nanaman !!!
“converted” player lang nmaan ako ha . heheh
pero ang ganda ng impact ang nangyari sa ultra- liha internationally.
pete
Oops medyo me konting conflict ang sked nang TATAP National Open with the Milo Little Olympics Nationals in Cebu:
TATAP Selection, Manila–October 26-30, 2009
Milo Little Olympics Nationals, Cebu–October 23-25, 2009
…sunod-sunod mga laro nang 12 under at 17 under, wala nang uwian sa probinsya at diretso na sa Manila from Cebu???
eto yung link:
http://www3.sunstar.com.ph/bacolod/milo-little-olympics-nat%E2%80%99l-finals-slated-cebu
lahat sumisiksik sa sem -break
im sure may maraming conflict! di lang yan
tell you – how i wish ganyan ka dami ang tourney nung panahon ko.
wala nuun !!!
as a matter of fact, mya luxury of choice pa.
kung tutuusin – maswerte ang bata ngayon – at least on this part of discussion.
pete
@butch ,
by all means ano ba itong milo liitle olympic na ito.?
out of town rin pala.
may ncr rin
sino may pakana nito?
matagal na ba ito?
im not aware.
i heard it from you but all the while i didnt understand.
pete
@Pete, Harry and butch
by all means try communicating at the depedtfss@wikispaces.com forum discussion BY this time. WHY? they (DepEd Task Force on School Sports) will be conducting a post palarong pambansa conference and School Sports Program Review workshop in Cebu on August 10 -14. I tell you guys, thats their website, they will read and take note of our observations and maybe, we’re lucky enough to lift that status quo rule re: Junior players banned from palaro.this is better pete, lets just try. Time is clicking. THE DATE: August 10-14. check their website. Mr Toledo , the Task force head is always browsing their site for queries such as yours pete.Harry , butch you can help substantiate pete’s stand. lets all work hand in hand. i’ll be monitoring if your there and i’ll be riding with all of you. kudos to all of us.
i heard na everytime nagpapatourney ang TATAP outside manila, hindi raw nababayaran yung mga umpires at TIGs (tiga record ng score, tiga… etc) especially sa probinsya, promise lang daw ng promise na mey bayad (pera, around P500 est.) pero wala naman. how true is this? hmmm…
sabi patrick,
a post palarong pambansa conference and School Sports Program Review workshop in Cebu on August 10 -14.
= hmmmm its really quite close.
i got the draft to be endorse by higher ups – may sakit lang me. ngayon at nakahiga
wonder kung maganda ibigay itong letter na ito dun sa conference na ito cebu? the right timing and venue- yan kaya?
pete
yes we can approached
but sino ba tayo – ” to move them”
unless may tatak ng higher ups like tatap formally inquiring
para mas effective di ba.
gagawin ba nila na ignore ito
kung may endorso or galing sa tatap ito?
pete
relax lang po pete,tumataas na naman ang dugo mo,tignan nalang natin muna ang outcome ng tournament ng tatap this coming October.
baka naman may magandang plano ang tatap after there tournament in October at sana tuloy tuloy na rin ito.
@pete: Ang Milo Little Olympics ay ika 13th or 14th year nila sa larangan nang grassroot program. Kaso lang naging inter-school ang competition at walang halong mga out-of-school youths na mahilig sa sports. Ang school na over-all champion both elem and high school me malaking bonus binibigay ang Nestle ( I think 100t pesos worth of sporting goods) at ang MVPs ay binibigyan nang 5T pesos each. Previous Milo TT competition was singles and doubles categories. For 2009 Milo regionals, it will be teamplay competion and no pirating of players from diff. schools. Pag nde maka-compose nang team ang isang school, disqualified na sya. Advantage to the schools having at least 4 pingpong players! ;(
@butch
ah school pala ito? milo ?
ganyan pala
okay amuyin ko. thanks butch.
pete
teka butch ,
sagot ng milo byahe papuntang probinsya?
or school ang nagpapadala?
or ‘manila meet’ muna para may ncr or luzon elimination muna? bago sagutin ng
milo ang papuntang cebu?
or walang sagutin ang milo ang papuntang probinsya -no matter what.
pete
Pete:
but sino ba tayo – ” to move them”
unless may tatak ng higher ups like tatap formally inquiring
para mas effective di ba.
gagawin ba nila na ignore ito
kung may endorso or galing sa tatap ito?
Well its up to you my friend. im just telling that this is the right opportunity. ang magmi-meeting dito is the actual management committee ng palaro. just wanna help by suggesting.
theres no harm in trying, thats why they have a discussion room at depedtfss@wikispaces.com, for constructive criticisms and suggestions
hinahabol ko na patrick
thanks.
formal letter to them endorse ng tatap.
to that cebu venue.
thanks patrick again for the tip.
pete
@Pete: Regionals muna ang sagot nang mga schools for Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao eliminations.
Sa pagkaka-alam ko ang Mindanao Milo will be held here in Cagayan de Oro City and the Visayas eliminations will be held in Cebu. I don’t know saan sa Manila ang Luzon eliminations.
All the regional champions (LuzViMin) will collide in Cebu on October 23-25 at sagot nang Milo ang expenses!
how true that other provinces are not properly coordinated or informed by milo regarding their program, sana wala sila i-exclude. if you know the organizers butch kindly relay this observation. thanks in advance
@butch
did i hear your correctly?
elimination muna
then when regionals comes sagot ng milo ang expenses for province travel.
thanks for the tip butch
tinawagan ko ang milo sports kanina – unfortunately, walang sumasagot
pete
@Pete
pakitanong na rin if pwede maki-coordinate sa local milo distributors sa city or province nila, kasi sa ibang provinces ala talagang announcement, tapos they will hold a “national” finals. thanks in advance my friend.
i see patrick – make sense.
saan ka ba probinsya anyway,
pete
Im currently in metro manila but my parents are from region 2, my friends in region 4 and from other provinces wala sila update regarding milo. so please. thanks
Last year dito sa CDO, me mga posters dinidikit sa entrance gate nang Corpus Christi School regarding the schedules. It is an inter-school sports competition yearly.
di ko alam ang milo kung di mo binaggit butch
thanks butch
walang ” dating” even if you keep mention it many times.- “milo”?
up until na realize ko -’ national’ tourney pala done in provinces as venue
like palarong pambansa.
but i realise parang small school circle event muna ito within the region ,
pero pag ayaw pumayag school sumali – wala kang magagawa
at kung ” pilay “kayo – meaning may malakas may mahina sa team nyo matatalo rin kayo
dapat Balance kayo dahil ito ay team play? am i right butch ?
may individual ba dito?
at from 12 to 17 ang age range , ganyan ba butch?
may grade school event at high school event ganyan ba?
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may na get akong organxzer tel. no. pero walang sumasagot sa number pa
pete
at kung ” pilay ” kayo meaning sa team school nyo may mahina may malakas matatalo rin kayo – just like parlao dapat “balance “kayo
is it 4 plaeyrs ba? at age from 12 to 17 ? team play? butch the way i understand it? pls. correct me.
may phone ako sa organizer nila tatawagin ko sila
@Pete: This year lang meron Milo National at teamplay lang. Previous years ay hanggang regionals lang singles and doubles. Elementary at Secondary (12&under, 17&under) categories boys and girls.
This time, it will only be teamplay daw. Please follow-up mo na lang kong ilan talaga minimum players to compose a team per school.
ganuun ba buth ngayon lang pala team play- okay
pa bago bago pala. hehe okay
amuyin natin !!!
eto nanamin si ‘pakialamero ‘ahahahah
pete
pwd po bang sumama sa Phil. nationa Table Tennis khit dalawang players lang po kame? individual games po b yan? or team event.
Medyo nakakalito yung link ng article na to sa TATAP.PH kaya pinost ko nang buo, pakibasa nalang ng events sa itaas.
kua. individual games po b yan? or team competition?
Ortalla Jr. said that there are 10 events for the tournaments. They are Men’s and Women’s team events, Men’s and Women’s singles events, Men’s and Women’s doubles, Mixed doubles, Boy’s and Girl’s 17-year-old and Under events and Hard Bat ‘Liha’ Competition
= ang hardbat ay hardbat terminilogy – iba yan goma pa rin yan
= ang liha is sandpaper
clarification lang po para di ma confuse ang tao
liha po ang laban.!
pete
kuya mu tshirt ba clang pinamimigay sa mga participants na naglaro? magkano po ba registration per person?
kuya my tshirt ba clang pinamimigay sa mga participants na naglaro? magkano po ba registration per person?
I emailed our TATAP president and TATAP office asking for the schedule of events since we do not want to “suffer” the same bad experience last year. We had kids from Bacolod who stayed inside ULTRA for 3 days before their schedule came out. Also, without a daily schedule, the result would be chaos as no one knows when they will play and players cannot be in their best. Due to no schedule, the last day of the tournament was played until midnight with my player playing 4 – 5 games from 2 pm to midnight.
Also, without any daily schedule, provincial players would be spending a lot. If there is an advance schedule of when an event will be played, provincial players can adjust as when they will leave and also for kids to continue their schooling instead of doing nothing.
Unfortunately, I have not received any reply. Last year, someone asked an official why there were no daily schedule of events and the answer was “mayroon schedule at ang schedule ay 1 week ang laro. Hindi lang alam namin kung anong araw ang laro ng mga events.”
I read somewhere that TATAP has already choosen who will play in the SEAG due to lack of time as the players will train abroad. So what’s the use of this selection when there is already a choosen few who will represent the country? Last year, there were players who played abroad but never made the top 5. Is it the same palakasan or favored few?
Ganito siguro ang nangyayari: Let us say Cebu guv or some local sports businessmen want to join international competitions and are willing to shoulder the expenses of the athletes but they demanded that “only” Cebuano players can go. Ano ang gagawin nang TATAP with this proposal? That is is not palakasan or favored few?
No question if someone will sponsor a player to play in the SEAG but to announce that the winner in the coming 2nd TATAP National TT Championship will play in SEAG, is another story. There is deceit and does not goes well with the organizers.
A majority of last year winners were not invited to join in international tournaments. There were players selected to join and I know they have no sponsors since the players did not even have allowances. They did not even have uniforms and that the players have to buy clothes just to have a uniform. Otherwise, they will not be allowed to play.
When someone told me about this, I informed TATAP chairman Alvin and when he ask Dodong, he denied that there is such a selection of players for SEAG.
Then someone sent me a copy of the press release in Cebu Sunstar newspaper. I forwarded it to Alvin and he was surprised. But he promise to look into this matter deeply.
Now I know Jiji and she is not the type to make up stories and have it published in the newspaper. I am sure the readers will know who is lying. Maybe someone forgot to tell her its a secret.
No wonder why PSC/POC denies us sometime to participate in some international events because they based it from the previous international performance. That is the bad part of sending sub-standard players.
I think they need to train Jijj how to make up stories. Oh btw, she needs media attention too.
@butch
I am not in favor but Cebu can do that like what LOPTTA and TATAND is doing. But events like SEAG should be represented by the national team (not the instant one).
If Cebu, LOPTTA and TATAND continue that practice, it will make Alvin’s dream team and TATAP useless.
pre nalalabuan ako to all of this mess. ….!
it is— a mess.
kaya nga gin clarify me sa dep ed.
its not only palaro that is affected by this mess
but at least to know whats going on –yung tutuo
one says the other , and the other says something else.
for me its sickening to be branded by people na nakaalis lang yan dahil may pera yan or may lakas kasi kainino. di fair sa iba. lets minimise this sana. aywan ko sa mukha ng ibang tao , pero ako masama sa tenga ko ito. kung may proper proceso this will be minimize.
sa panahon namin ni oskie dadaan muna kami sa butas ng karayom before you are qualify to wear that national team jacket. !!!! i guess iba na ngayon ang panahon.
pete
Harry,
Alvin’s dream team is compose of our youth to play in 2010 for the first youth olympics which Oskie and I are helping him formulate the plan. Alvin’s team will come from the selection made in the different parts of our country hence the tournaments were held in NCR, Visayas, and Mindanao. TATAP officials have given an all out authority to Alvin who will decide who will compose of the youth team. No interference from them.
Therefore your comment that Cebu, Loptta, and Tatand sending players to join international tournaments would derail Alvin’s dream is not correct. We cannot just simply go to Singapore and present our players to play.
As far as Loptta is concern, we joined international tournaments on invitations sent to us and these are not world caliber tournaments. Singapore sent us an invitation to join their 1st Youth Sports Challenge (15 yr and under) sponsored by the famous Singapore School of Sports. 6 countries (China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore,and Philippine) joined and Philippine (Loptta) won 2nd place. We lost to China.
I also agree that when it comes to big international tournaments like SEAG, it should be the top caliber players that would go.
sir diotay,
kung ganyan pala sir.
i’ll contact all international tournaments for our team fil -chi
and get their invitation
though, question lang po sir diotay :
Is it a POLICY , a NEED or a COURTESY that a team going out should get first the “blessing” , APPROVAL, ENDORSEMENT OR WHATEVER YOU MAY CALL IT, of tatap muna and /or or some other top sports insititution hierarchy muna in written form bago lalabas ang isang team eh bandila ng pinas yung dala eh. ? kasi i wawagayway namin yung malaking bandila ng pinas eh. eh ano na ang impression ito sa lahat ng international bansa and local player natin then ?
so lumalabas , sibat nalang kami palabas wala ng paki ang mga ilang higher sports institution dito , ganyan ba? to admit im just confuse lang naman ho sir.
sana ma clairfy lang ho itong issue nito once and for all , dahil kung ganyan lang pala ang “formula” , kaya rin namin gawin itong club namin ang ill start to suggest namin ito sa club namin.
kung pwede pala eh di umpisahan gagawin na namin then at lahat ng may so called “kaya” yung mga tournaments na sinasabi mo. at ni kahit sa proper authoriites ng bansa, ni alam di na nila kailangan malaman pa. pati pa mga tao, basta i post nalang namin sa tatapx kapag nanalo kami someway na may bandila pa ng pinas pinapakita! bulaga! ahahahah
im just thinking , there seems to be something wrong here. ? in a way.
nagtatanong lang po ang isang simpleng”juan de la cruz”. dahil po ata sa panahon namin di bastat basta dalhin ang bandila ng pinas sa labas without proper authorization , kung tama me. nagbibigay kasi ng ibang impresion ito sa ibang tao eh.
hope di ma read ito ng tao na may ” malice ” intent.
napupuna ko lang naman po ang scenario ngayon . and i wonder kung pwede ituloy lage ang ganyan sistema . eh kung sakaling tsempo 3 “phil team” yung nagpunta sa tournament na iyon paaano naman kaya ito ? di ba nakakahiya kanyang kanyang angatan ng bandila ng pinas.? ahahahahah
pete
until hindi mapaalis ang dapat maalis wla pa rin patutunguhan ang pingpong sa pilipinas, baguhin man ang presidente kung ang ilan sa mga dati nang wlang ginawa andun pa rin wla pa rin tayo dapat i-expect masyado
sa kabukiran na lang tayo hehehe
may malaking problmema ata hinaharap
ngayon sa daming bakasyon
eh sem break itong tourney na ito.
so sayang naman sa mga bata di na makasali
yan ang latest kong balita about sem break!! naku
pete
dream team ba kamo? hahaha… baka alvin’s cooking team. hahaha… yung vizayas and mindanao selection, niluto naman yun eh. yung kay Jacalan luto din yun. hahaha… mag cooking class nalang tayo. hahaha… what comes around, goes around.
baka wala ng sembreak !!!
dahil sa dame na bakasayon , i sakripisyo na
eh nakatapat pa nman itong tourney sa sem break
pete
Pete,
You have a very good point. Ideally, those who would play abroad should inform TATAP. But that is easier said than done. There are clubs who receive personal invitations to join a national tournament in one’s country and they believe that TATAP has nothing to do with it. They go there to promote friendship using their club’s name. Unfortunately, the organizers can’t help but announce them as a club/team from the Philippines.
Also players in USA who would join US Opens should also inform TATAP? I don’t think they are doing that. Do you believe that Filipinos living abroad who join any sports should be required to inform their country’s sport associations? Shooting, billards, bowling, tennis, marathons, etc?
In fairness, these clubs or individual players who join do not intentionally proclaim that they are the bona fide representatives recognized, financed,trained, and sent by our country. Their only mistake is that they are Filipinos.
I remembered several years ago, I read in the newspapers that a group of Filipinos joined a winter game. They look like a bunch of idiots but when asked why they joined, their answers are: 1. to get our names in the official list. 2. to enjoy the free accommodations (board and lodging). These idiots are Filipinos staying in that area where the games are held. Organizers are more than happy to accommodate them so that they will have one more country joining their winter games.
Sounds more like what is happening in our country. Quantity instead of quality. I have seen grade school kids joining the TATAP sponsored men’s open and the organizers accommodated them so that they can boast in the papers of a big number of entries. Imagine a grade 5 student playing against Richard Gonzales. When I ask the kid, he said he needs the certificate and he joined in all events that he can play.
When our kids went to Singapore, we notified TATAP and as a matter of fact, we even ask help from them in terms of waiving the travel tax.
October 3rd, 2009 at 08:07 | #60 Reply | Quote Pete,
You have a very good point. Ideally, those who would play abroad should inform TATAP.
= dapat siguro ganyan , i think so. not even verbal. writing pa.
pag may nagreklamo , in the future. – pakita nyo, may ebidensya
but that is easier said than done. There are clubs who receive personal invitations to join a national tournament in one’s country and they believe that TATAP has nothing to do with it.
= ganyun ba yun sir? we should ask tatap about it.
ang problema walang nagsasalita dito. tatap.
pero i think – MALAPIT NA !!!!!
They go there to promote friendship using their club’s name. Unfortunately, the organizers can’t help but announce them as a club/team from the Philippines.
= yes sir, maganda yun !!!!!
pero kung yung iniwa wagayway or show sa picture
ang philipine flag ay kasing laki ng kotse
at ang club flag ay kasing laki lang ng notebook na ipinakita
iba na ho ang usapan yon! ahahahah
isang exmaple lang naman ho ito !!!! ahahaha baka ganyan mangyari or nangyari na nga!!!!
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Also players in USA who would join US Opens should also inform TATAP?
= they did po in the case of mr. ting ledesman
I don’t think they are doing that.
=meron po!
Do you believe that Filipinos living abroad who join any sports should be required to inform their country’s sport associations? Shooting, billards, bowling, tennis, marathons, etc?
= eh abroad naman ho yung sinasabi mo eh sir. anybody using the flag of philippine may right mag question ang bansa dun sa player na yon!
who knows sir, baka meron din ho caes na ganyan sir ! unless we ask. locally sa ibang sports. may mga issue na ganyan na rinig ko sir.!!!!
idinamanda pa ! bakit dala ang bandila na walang proceso!!!!!
eh sa case ng table tennis. super “lambot” kasi eh.
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In fairness, these clubs or individual players who join do not intentionally proclaim that they are the bona fide representatives recognized, financed,trained, and sent by our country. Their only mistake is that they are Filipinos.
=yung bandila lang ho ng club ang ipakita kasing laking kotse okay na
yun bandila ng pinas kahit lakihan nalang ng konti say— “cartolina size” tawad nalang , okay na cguro sa iba. !!!!! ahahahah
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I remembered several years ago, I read in the newspapers that a group of Filipinos joined a winter game. They look like a bunch of idiots but when asked why they joined, their answers are: 1. to get our names in the official list. 2. to enjoy the free accommodations (board and lodging). These idiots are Filipinos staying in that area where the games are held. Organizers are more than happy to accommodate them so that they will have one more country joining their winter games.
= syempre wala silang pakialam – yung rules ng bansang sumali
eh pero yung mga kapwa players sa bansa nila , di ba ho magtataka. ?
i think nung umpisa nagtaka rin kayo sir.
pero lately, cguro naka hanap ng “loophole” so join in na !!!!!! ahahahah
Sounds more like what is happening in our country. Quantity instead of quality.
= are we going to solve this or the ” desperate” policy of
if we cant beat them ” join them nalang!!! sugod mga kapatid!!!!
I have seen grade school kids joining the TATAP sponsored men’s open and the organizers accommodated them so that they can boast in the papers of a big number of entries. Imagine a grade 5 student playing against Richard Gonzales. When I ask the kid, he said he needs the certificate and he joined in all events that he can play.
=yung guidelines di tama!
When our kids went to Singapore, we notified TATAP and as a matter of fact, we even ask help from them in terms of waiving the travel tax.
= well sir. that goods !!! kami kung aalis kami i will propose a written respond para walang duda at first sa tao. kung may nagtanong later on or reklamo !!!!!
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ang depe ed problem sa palaro parang may 8 years na ata or more na nagging problem. kung di ko pa linabas wala pang kikilos , sa huli ako rin pala kikilos. may loophole so everybody just use the loophole. or detect or use the “weakness”of the policy instead of “straightneing ” it out muna !!
yan po ang hirap sa atin eh.!!!!!
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sana po, sana po wag ho tayong magalit sa mga usapan dito.
ang nangyari ay nangyari na! pero ipagpatuloy pa ba natin?
aminin nalang po natin – there is a problem!!!!!
pete
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@diotay
We have different views. I thought you complained that TATAP had no long term plans. Alvin has a long term plan but our current practice will kill it if he cannot stop private clubs from sending players abroad. I cannot blame the teams who practiced it because TATAP is also involve in some activities like the “have the money can go policy”.
What was the reason why they pick LOPTTA for that so called international tournament? If it was Youth Sports Challenge, why not invite the stars from Palarong Pambansa?
ang tawag dito – di lang instant noodles ito.
mami , siopao , tokwat baboy pa, labo labo na. gulo gulo eh.
we do have a problem . kaya bulagaan nalang kapag lumabas ang picture sa forum eh tapos na tourney
buti nalang di nagkita sa airport sila sila paalis scenario. , laking gulat siguro. hi kababayan! ahahahahah
idaan ko nalang sa biro biro ,tawa muna itong problemang ito. lets us see who will take serious action to correct about this. so sit down and watch. of course di na ako , im just a parent concern lang at umo observe lang. so is the silent majority
pete
rynp, what made you say this? bakit may friction ba ang PSC at TATAP? Why?
Nevertheless, this is what I was saying in my other post that TATAP’s job is to source out funding at hindi lang dapat umasa sa PSC. Kaya nga may TATAP para gumawa ng trabaho na ito. Mag solicit ng pera para sa mga projects (tournaments, coaches education/officials development,grassroots programs to identify potential pingpong players to the national team etc.etc.) at para sa mga national players’ both male and female expenditures.
You see, there is a massive confusion on who is going to represent the country in international tournaments, why is this so? dahil walang concrete programs ang NSA natin. wala nga ata women’s national team. meron ba? This only shows insensitivity to the needs of the community on the part of the leadership.This has to be corrected…
Amen to you masusan
After this tournament, what happens next? TATAP identifies deserving pingpong players to the national team? there should be a developmental group for these potential pingpong players to be trained next in rank with our seniors.kaya wala akong makitang mga bagong mukha kasi hindi nagdedevelop ang TATAP ng mga table tennis players…Aba TATAP review your Constitution and By laws for God’s sake. Please do your duty naman..
@masusan: Did tatap do his duty ba ?
Pete,
“What was the reason why they pick LOPTTA for that so called international tournament? If it was Youth Sports Challenge, why not invite the stars from Palarong Pambansa?”
I think we should first clarify things so that we will not be talking in different levels. This is also for the benefit of our readers who might misinterpret our postings.
INVITATIONS
There are invitations sent to TATAP which is the official/accredited table tennis organization and recognize by ITTF in our country. The players sent will represent our country. Questions will arise as who are these players? Will TATAP have a qualification or just a selection? Do they follow a guideline or guidelines are made after selecting the players to justify their action? Your guess is good as mine.
Then there are invitations addressed directly to clubs. The players sent will represent their clubs. Strictly speaking, TATAP is out of the picture. It is the decision of these clubs whom they want to send. We cannot force these clubs to look for other strong players (e.i. Palarong Pambansa) to augment their team if they do not want to.
“Why would an organizer invite a club and not other clubs or TATAP?”
I cannot answer that question and I don’t think it is proper to question them why other clubs are not invited. I am not aware if it is the practice here that clubs question the organizers why they were not invited. Organizers choose whom to invite and not invite. Organizers do not even follow the ranking system of TATAP or any other tournament results. Organizers can come up with their our eligibility (one even violated their own eligibility to accommodate a friend or fear). A non-rank player can join in a non-rank category but is not allowed to join in another non-rank category by another tournament because he/she is strong. This is a free country and yet it is this freedom that we are disorganized.
As to LOPTTA being invited, a Singaporean came to Bacolod to volunteer his time, talent, and treasures in helping the youth at risk in Bahay Pag-asa in Bacolod. As a director of Bahay Pag-asa, I came to know that he plays table tennis. I invited him to our club, he saw our grassroots program and he promised that when he goes back to Singapore, he will inform his friends at Singapore School of Sports to send some information on how they train the kids. After several exchanges of emails, the next thing we receive was the invitation. Maybe you can ask other clubs why they were invited.
Pete,
“Alvin has a long term plan but our current practice will kill it if he cannot stop private clubs from sending players abroad. I cannot blame the teams who practiced it because TATAP is also involve in some activities like the “have the money can go policy”.
Alvin’s plan of having a strong youth team for the 1st International Youth Olympics in Singapore will not be affected by clubs sending their youths to play abroad. No one can stop players from playing abroad. TATAP has no jurisdiction over it. The only consolation is that the youth have international exposure which is good for their own improvement. Whether it is good enough at your standards, is another question. Those youths who play abroad are welcome to join the qualifying tournaments. If qualified, well and good. Also, those who qualified will not be barred from playing abroad if sponsored by their club or other organizations.
I am sure that no youths can represent themselves or our country in the 1st International Youth Olympics in Singapore in 2010 without TATAP’s blessings. I am sure only TATAP will receive an invitation and no other clubs will. And TATAP has designated this job to Alvin. There is no conflict at all.
just heard sa mga ponger here that Ultra is being used as Evacution Center for those affected by typhoon ondoy….Wala pang balita sa Tatap to confirm kung tuloy or hindi ang Tourney. Two weeks na lang po
Definitely, Ultra is out as the venue for the national Championships because its being used as an evacuation center.TATAP should make the necessary anouncement as soon as possible as to where the alternative venue will be.
Why TATAP has no say over international tournaments? It is supposed to be the only recognized body by the ITTF, therefore its the only organization that can send athletes/players overseas. The problem is TATAP is disorganized, walang system kaya nagkakagulo pag dating kung sino ang ipadadala at maglalaro sa mga international tournaments kasi walang pool of ranked players both seniors/juniors men/women. Why is TATAP holding a national championships/tryouts? what for? diba dapat selection ito ng mga players to the national team, seniors/juniors? Nasaan ang mga athletes? wala!
Laganap pa rin ba ang palakasan system sa selection at kung sino ang ipapadala sa abroad? Walang pagbabago? dapat na nga palitan na ang mga namumuno sa TATAP kung ganoon kasi walang progress ang sport na ito.
Postponed…
http://www.tatapx.org/2009/10/08/2nd-philippine-national-table-tennis-championships-postponed/
Ahh..pete, “patriotism”? divided we stand united we fall!
Sabi mo mahirap pumasok sa Phil. Team noon, sing liit nang butas nang karayom kasi daw nagbibigayan kayo nang laro noon kay for Manila players only! Sa ngayon taga-Gensan ang me hawak nang TATAP so priority ang Visayan players–weather-weather lang naman yan sabi mo eh!
I still prefer sending low caliber players abroad by their corresponding clubs than nothing at all. Gastos naman nang private clubs ah?
sabi butch ;
Sabi mo mahirap pumasok sa Phil. Team noon, sing liit nang butas nang karayom kasi daw nagbibigayan kayo nang laro noon kay for Manila players only! Sa ngayon taga-Gensan ang me hawak nang TATAP so priority ang Visayan players–weather-weather lang naman yan sabi mo eh
= YOU GOT ME WRONG BUTCH !
sing liit nang butas nang karayom kasi daw nagbibigayan kayo nang laro noon kay for Manila players only!
= hindi yon ang ibig kong sabihin ———-ni manila ka , ni promdi ka , lalo na ‘singkit’ ka haha, gagawa ng technical paraan yan para matalo ka , i lowbat ka etc etc.
Sa ngayon taga-Gensan ang me hawak nang TATAP so priority ang Visayan players–weather-weather lang naman yan sabi mo eh
= hindi ganyan sabi ko
pero since sinabi mo butch – baka nga ahahah ————- oo nga noh!!!! baka nga may favoritism at ikaw ang nagsabi nito ahahahah
sorry iba ng pagkaintindi mo
yung kapag national team ka di ka basata basta matalo. talagang may proper training ka. may pondo may import coach may malaking respect ka.!!! tanong mo kay boy cuico, time nya pala coach nya hapon dito , yung mga panahon na yon, may venue etc.e tc. !!!talagang elite.
im talking about even as far as 40 years ago.kitang kita ko. beginner lang ako at kahanga hanga ko sila !!!!!!and a little bit onwards pa yung time okay pa . ewan ko kung ano ang nasa ulo mo tungkol ‘panahon’ and not jsut a few years ago lang like valbuena or what. way way back pa. haha
the rest kayo na mag kwento sa akun during rufino ,so kim cheng etc. im limbo talaga nuun! dahil im fed up with pingong politics nuun talaga. ako balik for health. sabi doktor. at natukalsan ko liha ang nagbiigay ng 3 x pawis sa akin kaysa goma. others jsut go on with olympic table tennis. wala naman ako kinokontra as a matter of fact my son involve dyan at ako pa ang nagudyok sa dyan.goma. liha- tsaka nayan son dahil iba ang purpose ng laro na yan.
pete
@pete: ganun naman ang Phil. politics diba? balimbingan at nepotism?
Noon daw, kahit ikaw pa ang pinakamagaling sa ranking for Phil Team pero wala ka sa porma or wala kang basics at “tora-tora” lang style mo sa pingpong ay nde ka kukunin nang national coach?
well medyo naman but not alywas the case
panahoh ni coach pigao may porma ba yun?
may ” bibig”lang yun
kaya nakapasok sa coach yun -national team pa.
nung tinanong ko
bakit nakapasok ito dio
sabi so and so daw ang kapatid nya – famous writer ata
kaya dito – nagkapwesto.
naku! naman pinas. !!!
kaya ko nga sinabi rule no. 2- “dapat may contact. ”
i think may no. 4 rule na ngayon – ang rule eh:
SAPAT NA KAPALMUKS !!!!! AHAHAHAHAH ( wala ng pakialam kung anong sabi ng iba)
pete
lahat na nananalo sa try-out noon kinukuha as a national player kahit panahon pa ng gintong alay until psc.hindi pa nangyari na nag rank 1 ka sa try-out tapos di ka kukunin.
pagkakaiba lang ngayon..hindi ka pa nananalo kinukuha ka na
You are absolutely right mel, Any player who qualifies during the tryouts (based on the creteria set) automatically makes it to the national team. There is no reason why a player will not be named to join the elite team if he/she qualifies. This is the only basis for one to be in the national team.
i am talking about the coach, coach subject
sino magiging coach sa position
that butch is asking me.
kay tora tora ka or kahit panalo player mo.
politics comes to play – at the bottom line,.
pete
Got your point pete, here we go again…politics in sports…politics in table tennis…kasi it is being tolerated…saan ka ba nakakita ng isang table tennis coach sa national team na naging player sa SEAG? your guess is as good as mine…Wala na nga comprehensive training programa para sa national team, inagawan pa ng laro ang player.Ito ang sinabi sa akin ng mga national team players when they arrived from Thailand. Th
@masusan : now that your brother is in what can you say about the palakasan system ? Ito ba ang sinusuka mo ? O ito ang ginagawa mo… Now I get your point . Did anyone here get masusans point ? Did everyone here now knows what kind of breading, attitude this human has. Now here we can see what capability she could do to us… this human is dangerous …. lol
eh sino ba tinutukoy mo ito masusan
di ko alam ito , meron ba ito?
inagawan pa ng laro? dapat palyer ang mag laro not coach
tama ba yon?
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well =========we turn the coin around
i mean dapat ang coach ay at least magaling sa table tennis or may calidad dati , may title sya to be respected talaga di dahil sa lakas lakas lakas na daan kaya nakapasok sya or what.
yan ang problme sa atin dito walang “specialided “baka maya makita mo coach ng badminton this yerar next year kita mo nasa bowling na sya coach ahahahah,third year nasa sepak takraw na sya coach.
mga ganyan awala akong repect sa kanya , eh tuturuan ka pa nga eh sa stroke . naku! !!! i tell you.
these are all speaking from experience !!!! pre
pete
@Pete
parang alam ko sino ang tinutukoy mo, yung coach/trainer ba ng karate na naging table tennis coach/trainer noong panahon ni PV? early 90s yun at naghihibernate ka nun. Malakas sya kay PV kaya instant din.
For me, tama si Pete dapat mabigat ang bios nang to be national coach. In addition, every competition abroad nang juniors dapat kasama ang trainor nang no.1 player, example si Aldrin Dacayanan nang CDO na trainor ni Ian Lariba since she was a kid ay dapat lang kasama sa laro nang bata para me evaluation sya for his player to be continuosly correct/improve her game. The chemistry behind trainor-trainee ay nde mapantayan nang national coach kasi alam nang trainor the inside and out nang bata. Same feeling is true sa lahat nang players na meron kanya-kanyang trainor.
hahahaha! pete, napatawa mo ako ah!!! pero totoo talaga ang nangyari sa Thailand, talo din naman….hahaha! kung ang designation niya sa Philippine team ay coach, then he should concentrate as a coach and act as one. I learned from his players too na wala siyang concrete training program para sa kanila (baka wala lang panahon gumawa,o marunong kaya?… Seriously,a good coach has a lot of responsibilities heavily carried on his back. First and foremost, he/she should be a role model to his players,( clean living/ no vices) because being a coach means leading the team in all areas. His decisions and actions set an example for players to believe in and to follow. Commitment and dedication are significant attributes that can help the players rise above even in major adversities, that is why the training program is only as important as the motivation provided by the coach. Kaya in my own personal opinion, the greatest measure of a coach is how well his or her athletes perform in championship tournament or competition to win medals. Hala! sige! tingnan natin ang mga TT coaches in the Philippines, past and present.. Who among them have the qualities I mentioned above. Basta ako I can only count a few…I hope next posting, lets share our knowledge on how to plan/make a program for our TT elite players.
@masusan : okay name one
butch as long as hindi pakikialaman ng trainer ang bata during training under a national coach ok yan, unless yung trainer mas magaling at mas marami experience kesa sa national coach.
kaya ngan kung minsan nagkakgulo sa dep ed palaro
yung interpretation ng ilan deped ay mali \dahil ang laro nila – badminton pala.
inaply na sa table tennis.
ahahahahah, kwento sa akin herman tuason sa akin. nakipagway sya madalas hi blood din yon kababata ko yon. ahahahahah. .
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isa lang sample ito. talagang kawawa ang table tennis natin
ganyan nuun sa panahon ko way back pa , ganyan din sa panahon ng anak ko ngayon naku!
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harry , tsamba lang yung example ko i have nobody in mind sa sinasabi mong karatista basta na puna ko lang no specialization dito.
ang tawag ko dyan term namin sa chinese ” chopsuey lomi ” naman hahah di na “instant noodles”
kasi sa “chopsuey lomi ” naman you find all halo halo na putahe dun . baboy gulay atay etc. meron !!!!-
peter
Butch, Are there any other players aside from Lariba developing diyan sa CDO? I was expecting to see more players improving or developing their craft by now in your city since Lariba is training there at sabi mo pa nga magaling ang trainer niyo, but unfortunately wala, bakit? Correct me if I’m wrong ha? Lariba was ranked 3rd when Balatbat and Abas were still training and active in the national team? What happened to these good players? Sayang at nawala sila.Ano ang reasons? Anybody who knows where they are now? I mean their whereabouts? Is Balatbat still in Ateneo? Abas in Caloocan? Borja is working na daw according to yogi bear. Where? I hope they get together soon and make a come back. Sana mag tryout sila this coming weekend. If this happens, I’m sure it is going to be fun and exciting to watch them compete with each other. I’m positive magbabago ang composition ng women’s national team natin if they join the tournament. let’s pray to that.
Yogi bear mahirap ata ang system na ito if this is allowed by TATAP. Dapat mayroon professional ethics ang mga coaches/trainers natin, but I feel na wala ang iba nito na ugali. Sulutan, siraan, at payabangan ang nangyayari. Trainor should be officially named by TATAP otherwise there will be conflict of training style between tha national coach and this trainer for sure.If players are named to the national team, they should train together under the national coach.
i agree. if only katulad sana ang ibang coaches dyan sa kakilala nating national coach dati. si borja alam ko is employed under makati city govt masusan. darating ang time na magpe-peak si yan2x lariba dyan sa place nila unless makahanap sya ng paraan na mas gagaling sya like being trained here. she is a good player but as far as i know sino pa ba ang ibang magagaling na player ngayon coming from her place? if she is always made as an example dapat di ba may iba pang magaling sa lugar nila?
aminin man natin or hindi maraming players na galing visayas at mindanao ang magagaling at naging national players na lalong gumaling nung dito na sila sa maynila at nagtraining under a national coach and not by just staying there and practicing there, do i need to give examples kung sinu-sino?
Mga magagaling na babaeng juniors dito aside from Lariba:
1. Gloen Abales–nasa San Beda ngayon.
2. Nina Dy–4th year HS, currently under the guidance nang trainer ni Lariba na si Egoy Dacayanan with the parents full support–equipments, travels, tournaments.
3. May Ann Palmero–3rd year HS, me malaking potential kulang lang nang dedicated trainer.
4. V. Lupeba–3rd yr. HS. Former mentor was Rey Lamayan, no.1 player of Iligan.
5. Monica Bordado from Iligan City under her father’s eyes coach Bordado. At me isa pang taga Iligan City si Montes.
If I were to rank them: Abales, Dy, Bordado, Lupeba, Montes, Palmero.
base on track records on names
basta this is my prediction sa crystal ball ko.
yung mga magwawagi down the road
mostly my parents nasa likod at yung ang tatagal
kung pwede nga
anak nito against anak nun – play
father against father. in the near future.
or father and son /daughter doubles.
or lolo pa nga eh ahahah – goma or liha
thta would be fun to watch.
kung sinong family name ang malakas.
special prize pakulo lang. ahahahahah
bigyan naman natin ang kunting saya at variation ang table tennis yung nga basketbaool may dunk exhitiiton na nga eh. malayo na tayo!
sorry for breaking the serious usapan. ahahaha
pete
ahahahah
@pete: nag father-son, brother-sister, at brothers doubles na kami dito sa CDO last Sat. at Sunday’s Emoy Cup nde na near future yan? Ang near future will be mother-father duo! ha.ha..ha.ha.
Name names yogi bear,I agree with you that these players will greatly improve dito sa manila under a good training program and a determined and dedicated coach. This happened before, if you remember, we won medals during the 2005 SEAG dito sa Pilipinas? I hope we could duplicate this feat again in the near future..Sana mabago na ang bulok na pamamalakad ng ating NSA ngayon para umasenso na ang sport natin.
@masusan : Ooooops I remember 2005 SEAG dito sa Pinas hehe. Di Ba ang kapatid mo ang kots
joan rae sanchez ang pinakamaganda ang record sa babae.asean juniors gold medalist sa singles at SEA Games bronze medalist sa singles din.taga pasig yun.iniikot ng tatay nya makipaglaro ng magagaling sa manila.
@mel
At recognized na youngest player sa 1991 WTTC. Magaling at matyaga yun. Nasa US na di ba?
Yung elder sister nya, nasaan na?
@butch
ah nagawa nyo na ba yan “family play “great! masaya ba?
tagal ko na naisip yan
minsan ata nalagay ko sa forums.
‘dahil di naman lage olympic table tennis ang pagtingin ko na table tennis ngayon .bakit lage ba babata ka…?
table tennis should be “fitness and fun.”
thats why i fall back na sa sa liha
so are other many national players din.
dun kami nagkita tuloy sa liha center at karamihan kalbo na cila ahahahahaha
darating din kyo dyan i tell you.
but full force suportahan ang mga bata sa goma.
[pete
nasaan na sila ngayon butch? are they going to come to manila for the national selection?
masusan: the following CDO girls will compete in the Milo national finals in Cebu on Oct. 24 & 25… Ian Lariba, Nina Dy, Mae Ann Palmero and other rookie girl from their school. Different school si Lupeba, hinde nakabuo nang school team ang Iligan so, Monica and Montes ay maiwan sa Iligan City. National selection is not a priority mas mabuti ang Milo kasi libre lahat! kita kits na lang kami sa Cebu next week. Close ko rin mga junior girls nang Cebu because three of them started at Huaching Foundation when they were in their elem. years together with my junior. Malilito ako neto kung saan ako mag cheer? Mindanao players ba or Visayas?
@masusan: Phils, won a bronze medal for teamplay and silver medal for Richard Gonzales last 2005 SEAG. Remember it was Mr. VV’s time at bulok din ang systema. So wala sa system yun kundi nasa players.
Correct me if I’m wrong, the 2005 SEAG team was composed of Julius Esposo, Richard Gonzales, Joseph Cruz and Harold Baring. Baring was the youngest and the rookie among them but he was trained in China for 3 months by Huaching Foundation before the competition.
magaling talaga yan si gloen, not sure kung sumasali pa sya ng mga tourneys dyan sa manila, baka cusy na rin kasi nasa college na. ann palmero got lots of potential, aggresive and blocker pa, sana tutukan ng training ito ng mga cdo coaches.
yung nga, na-iinis yung mga coaches sa probinsya kasi yung bata nila pag sumikat na, inaagaw na pag dating sa manila tapos sinasabi ng mga ‘national coach’ (daw) na sila daw nag train with advertisement pa and sinasabing ‘kilala’ na raw nila yung bata since the beginning kahit days up lang nag meet up. oooppppsss… wow! ang daming klasing instant, ito ‘instant coach’! hahaha…
sino kya un ryanp?bigyan mo nga kani ng clue..
@ryanp: yung national coach ba yan na nagsabi noon ke late Ernie Jawad ng Cebu na: “kahit no.1 ka pa sa ranking dito sa Manila, nde kita kukunin as member nang Phil. Team”
May i suggest that we have to stop talking and work for a program for the kids. 3 years ago, Yan yan was still at level with SEATTA Jr. But now, she was totally out class by her opponent in Thailand this year.Her improvement credited to her match play with guys older and quicker during her early training, but CDO run out of players will improve her standard,so, her improvement slow down. Its all the same, we need a proper PHYSICAL training program for Table Tennis ( When the Assuncion of badminton train in China, they do 60% in running and gym 40 match play, the improved to top 100 in the world). We need professional PHYSICAL trainer from china, to teach us which part of the muscle have to be improve and other physical conditions. Then, we need a mass base of players in triangular program, top China players match play w our National team, our National team Play with the Juniors, our juniors play with class A and down to the base. and promote them to the next rank. But we need a big gym for all of this activities. THAT’S WHY WE NEED A GYM and PSC TO BUILD IT. Unfortunately it was gone with TATAP president side with Pepeng in the POC voting, that POC has the final said in inter NSA conflicts. Vote against the will of PSC. Hope NOYNOY to be elected president, and our GYM will be put up by new PSC.
magagaling nga mga players but the question is di ba mas gagaling pa sila if andito sila sa manila at yung magtitrain sa kanila yung magaling talaga na dating national coach? its a matter of pride about sa inagaw ni ganito si ganyan. if ikaw ang nagsimula sa bata sa pagtrain alam ng mga tao yan
@yogi: bakit nag champion si Ian Lariba noon sa 12&under, 17&under at women’s open dyan sa Manila kahit nde national coach ang mentor nya?
sumakay na lahat pala kay ian lariba.hehehe..nasilat nya si sendrina muse balatbat noon..pero ilang beses na sila naglaro ulit na mas matured na si ian hindi na sya nanalo kay balatbat..
di tulad kay joan rae sanchez many times national champion..wala masyado sumasakay…ung tatay nya lang..pero hanga ako kay ian lariba..magaling din talaga..kaso ang daming sumasakay na trainor at coaches sa probinsya nila..pati na rin ang mga nanoood siguro kay ian sumakay na rin at nag sabi sila ang nagturo…napaka humble, napakabait at matalino na bata ni ian lariba..mabuti at hindi na hawa sa mga nagturo at nagpapanggap na trainor nya kuno.
nagturo ka rin ba butch kay ian lariba?hehehe
Butch, mag research ka naman ng mabuti before ka mag mention ng mga names ha? you forgot to mention the name of Ebuen. bakit galit ka ba sa kanya? You capitalized the 3 month china training of Baring instead, what’s the significance of his china training sa medal win ng team event natin last 2005 SEAG? Mayroon ba? The SEAG team mambers last 2005 ay sina Gonzales, Ebuen, Esposo, Cruz, at Baring. They were the top 5 players who won during the selection/tryout held in Makati at deserving sila to be in the SEAG team line up. You are right nag train si Baring sa China for 3 months, but sorry to tell you the fact, that his training there ay no match pa rin sa group niya dito sa team at sa SEA countries. Sabi ko nga, we don’t need to train in other countries,because we have the technology and good coaches here, what we need ay mga players na mas magagaling sa players natin sa team, meaning kailangan ng sparring partners na extremely good than our own players like importing foreign players (that was what TATAP did in 2005) or exposure to a lot of tournaments overseas. Butch, what made you say na bulok ang system ni VV? While I agree with you that there were some wrong decisions he made before, pero hindi naman ganoon kabulok ang pamamahala niya compared to the current system now. He spends money from his own pockets, ganyan ang role ng isang NSA president pag wala pa ang budget ng PSC, abuno muna kadalasan pa nga wala ng balikan. Kaya if you try to look at the NSA presidents of other sports discipline, puro may mga kaya diba? if you have to compare the system during VV and D. Ortalla now, PV and Go, which is more bulok? personal opinion? masa bulok ang pamamalakad ngayon. The leadership is too much to bear for us, kawawa si Col Binag, he is being sidelined sabi ng intelligence ko. These people act like lion kings and kings of the jews.. as if they are the unbeatables so to speak. We need change, we need a sincere and honest person to lead and unite our community. Ikaw butch pwede ka?
Ang naglaro at nanalo ng medal ng team event last 2005 SEAG ay sina Ebuen, Esposo, at Gonzales lang at hindi kasam si Baring. Stalker, alam mo at alam ko, at lahat ng table tennis enthusiasts, na maganda ang preparation ng RP team natin to this 2005 SEAG. Kaya naka medal tayo. We can’t also deny the fact na ang coach natin noon was si Coach Gigi Aguinalde. Magaling siya na coach, scientific ang coaching style niya at hindi mayabang. Let us give credit where credit is due. lets not be selfish. Coach Joan Rae Sanchez (thanks Mel for the reminder) was such a good player and a promising coach of the national team too just like Coach Aguinalde. Bakit nga ba nawala sila sa team? Personally, magaling sila, Both were not just table tennis national champions in their own right but good coaches too. We need dedicated people like them in our community. Yong bang may malasakit sa sport. Butch, ang success ng isang atleta for that matter according to a former table tennis coach ay tatsulok po daw iyan, (Athlete/coach/parents) one without the other hindi po tatayo ang triangle na iyan. In other words collective effort din pala talaga. kaya yoong sinabi mo na nasa player lang ang factor, you are wrong to say that.
Former national champion Richard Ching can also be an asset to coach our national team. He will easily learn fast considering the fact na former national team member siya. How I wish the three will be together and mentor our TT national team, Wow! what a great combination.. yogi bear agree ka ba sa wish ko? If this happens, this is a dream team and a dream come true talaga. Tapos good TATAP management? Im positive our TT community will have a bright future and I’m sure everybody will be happy. Basta walang inggitan, magkaisa at magtulongan na lang para sa ikuunlad ng Philippine TT. ENVY, GREED, SELFISHNESS, PRIDE, has no place in our community.
@masusan: Bravo ! Bravo ! Okay lang na itaas mo ang kapatid mo but never use another name in doing it… Parang nakita na ito ni Grandmaster sa kabilang site ? Puri siya ng puri sa isang player yun pala siya ang tatay hahaha. Just like you ! your trying to sell you brother sa TATAP nothing more nothing less
My personal opinion: Dream team coaching staff: Coches Antonio Aguinalde, Joan Rae Sanchez, Richard Ching. Lahat credible walang bahid ang mga credentials. Kaya lang this is just my own dream, I hope this will come true. Wala naman bayad mangarap diba? so…dream BIG….
Bahala na ang dream team coaches kumuha ng assistant coaches/trainers nila. Dapat ibalik ang Senior/Junior teams for both men/women. meaning 10/10 players in the national team at may monthly rankings uli. Butch, ngayon mayroon ba monthly rankings? kung sino-sino nalang ang kinukuha to compose the national team..grabe talaga, walang merits basta manok ng nakakataas, pasok kaagad.
Mag manman tayo sa tryout ngayon, and I’m sure bagong line up ang mabubuo. Those who will not play in the selection/tournament and qualify definitely hindi sila dapat makakasali sa line up ng SEAG team for Laos. This is the rule in the guidelines set by TATAP. Lets see if TATAP management will respect and follow what they said…
@masusan: same lang di ba ? your trying to sell your brother …. In the end of the day, makikita din ang balahibo mo just what happen now. Is money worthy or is it fame ? Para magkaganyan ka masusan
May point ka Butch sa training ni Ian Lariba when still young pa. At hindi natin inaalis na gumaling siya under his coach sa CDO. But the thing is she will not grow much kasi kulang na ng ka ispar na magaling si Ian Lariba sa CDO. Kung kaya hindi ma maximize ang skill nya (idle). Pwedeng ang dati nyang coach pa rin ang umaktong coach pero dapat sa manila talaga siya dahil nandito ang mga medyo mataas na level ng laro.
As a father and personal coach ni Jon Ebuen okay lang sa akin na na under siya sa Nat’l coach at pumasok sa nat’l team kasi nanduon ang mataas na level ng game na hindi ko maiibibigay sa kanya. but still ako pa rin ang personal coach niya. As a coach trainer hindi naman talaga need na magaling sa pag lalaro ang coach, pero dapat alam nya how to draw the tactics , receive, service, attack, mental toughness at training exercise. Ang pinaka importante sa coach is how to read the game specially the opponents. Kaya nga mayroon tayong trainer where in siya ang magiging ka spar or kalaro ng Player natin at dito natin masusukat ang level and intensity ng player natin at duon tayo babasi kung ano ang dapat pa natin ipagawa sa ating mga player.( Kinakabisado po ang laro).
Ang isang napaka laking problem natin dito sa Pilipinas is hindi tayo nakaka labas ng bansa para mag compete (wala tayong pag babasihan sa kalidad ng pag lalaro). Magaling ang Nat’l player natin sa pinas pero pag labas na naiiwan tayo dahil na nga sa kulang sa exposure sa ibang magagaling na player sa ibang bansa. Nakukuryente tayo sa sa bilis, tibay at dami ng bola ng singapore, indonisia, Vietnam, Malaysia at Thailand. Sad to say talangang napapanis ang player natin dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi ko sinisisi ang TATAP kasi nga ang sabi walang budget at hindi ako nawawalan ng pag asa tungkol dito. In his time ika nga.
Kaya si Ian Lariba ganun din ang mangyayari mapapanis din ang skill nya kung sa CDO lang siya mag lalaro. Opinion ko lang
Yan ang tamang sagot ni boyang sa tanong ko!
@masusan: sabi ko “correct me” if I’m wrong sa lineup nang 2005 SEAG at napa sobra ata ang dada mo ah? tinanong mo pa ako nang “galit ba ako ke Jon”? that question showed your personality. Tatawanan ka lang ni Boyang at Jon! Ibalik ko ang tanong sayo, ikaw galit ka ba ke Harold or sa Huaching Foundation or sa LOPTTA?
Sana huwag na maglaro ang national coach na ito sa SEAG, mag concentrate nalang siya sa coaching job at huwag na niya agawan ng laro ang player niya. Ano kaya ang nasa isip ng coach na ito? na kaya pa niyang manalo ng laro sa SEAG? mag aral, mag research nalang siya ng bagong technology ngayon sa coaching, mukhang napagiiwanan na siya sa larangan na ito. At coach H, hindi lang isa ang player mo, hindi lang si Richard Gonzales ang player mo ha? please train all the players in the team? I am the one embarrassed pag nakikita kita na concentrated ka lang sa isang tao, papano naman kami? This observation is a fact, this is happening my dear brothrs and sisters in the TT community. Any comment Butch? Lets not keep our mouth shut sa mga maling gawain…maging matapang tayo manindigan at huwag natin hayaan ang mga ganitong maling bagay mangyari lalo na sa mga taong malapit at kaibigan.
hahahahahaha! o ayan napatawa mo tuloy ako.. daghan salamat. Alam mo butch, hindi mo nga masagot ang mga tanong ko sayo and the points I raised in all my posts, umarangkada ka na. Where you hurt? Your reactions showed breeding. Don’t ever try to attack my personal being because you don’t know me that well, much more to question my attitude, my integrity, my credibility, my honesty as a person. Just stick to the issues I raised, and don’t deviate from it so as not to cause problems. Kilala kita from head to foot, inside and out..pero wala akong galit sa iyo. Who gives you the right to malign my personality. Walang nakikipag-away sa iyo at huwag kang pikon…I can smell something sa reactions mo. Ano naman ang kinalaman nila Harold, Huaching at LOPPTA at napasok sa kukuti mo ha? Mayroon ba? I never mentioned them Mr Butch at huwag ka mang intriga, Respect begets Respect..Don’t put words into my mouth at hindi ako nagsasalita ng walang basis at katotohanan. Im sorry wala akong galit kanino man. Galit ako sa mga maling gawain o katiwalian sa sports na ito. I have forgiven you anyway, God knows the truth.
@masusan : now anong breeding meron ka ? anong integrity ? anong credibility ? anong honesty ?
Have you read the book “Coaching Bible” endorsed by the best successful table tennis coaches in the world? The number one consideration to become a coach, is to be knowledgeable in all aspects than the athletes under their tutelage through books, seminars, clinics, magazine articles, and the internet. Though the following have always been great sources for cutting-edge coaching information, willingness on the part of coaches to share information with each other is still important. It’s not a joke to become a dedicated intelligent table tennis coach because learning the technology of the sport is a continuing learning process,in other words it does not end. Hindi pwede ang moro-moro coaching approach dito. To train a player is a technical thing, It is learned and studied. Of course dapat magaling din sila mag laro ng table tennis, this is very important, alangan naman mas magaling pa maglaro ang mag players nila. Papano ka magtuturo kung hindi ka marunong o magaling. this is a given thing which we can’t question. This is also one way of getting the respect from their athletes.
Boyang, TATAP is the one responsible to source out funding. Sila ang dapat sisihin wala ng iba. Ang mabuting pamumuan ay dapat prepared sa logistics sakasakaling hindi magbigay ng sapat na budget ang PSC. Your son has improved a lot when he trained in the national team together with the rest, you can never deny this. I saw his progress and development as a player during the 2005 SEAG competition.Your never ending support as a parent added the icing to your son’s feat in this field.
butch i do not question yan2x lariba’s talent or skills kasi magaling sya dito sa pinas period.. the point i was trying to raise if matraining kaya sya sa national level tulad sa training ng national players would you agree na gagaling pa sya? i dont mean yung current training ng current national players but yung dating training na nagpanalo sa atin ng medals last 2005. magaling sya wlang question diyan eh pano pag darating ang time na mag peak ang laro nya dun sa CDO kasi wla na syang ka partner na mas malakas sa kanya? naisip mo ba yan? gusto kong gawing example si sir boyang, malaki part nya bakit magaling si jon ebuen pero kahit sya mismo pinabayaan nya anak nya nung nagtraining na sa national team and i know hindi deny ni sir boyang na lalong gumaling at nahasa ang skills ng anak nya..
statistically speaking butch, if magaling ang system na sinasabi mo bat si yan2x lariba alng ang national player caliber na na produce nyo na dun lang sa CDO pumalagi at hindi nagtrain sa manila? kindly explain nga? hindi naman porke na may yan2x lariba kayo ibig sabihin tama na system nyo. pano naman kami sa western visayas? ilang examples ng players na galing sa western visayas ang m,aibibigay ko sa yo na magaling na lalo pang gumaling nung nagtraining dito sa manila. no offense meant butch or to anybody. mas marami ba kayong na produce na national player caliber na galing sa lugar nyo na nag stay lang dyan sa CDO?
masusan, bias ako towards kay coach gigi kasi alam ko pagkatao nya at hindi sya yung tipong traidor pagnakatalikod sya. how i wish maibalik sya. i used to be hopeful sa tatap but then again my eyes were opened seeing what we have now is worse than what we had with VV’s term before. im not defending VV pero nung time nya at the beginning mas ok pa yata yun eh
Amen. @masusan.
to clarify pinabayaan as in hinayaan ni sir boyang ang anak nya na ma train sa national team at hindi sya nakialam
@yogi: Last 2007, when we compete in the POF Manila at Rizal Memorial Coll. nakita namin si Ian Lariba at nakausap, under training daw sya nang National coach at nang Phil. Team. Anong “national training” ba tinutukoy nyo?
For me, ang pingpong ay ginagamit para lang makapag-aral dyan sa Manila at nde maging national player. Alam mo na masarap pakinggan dito sa Mindanao if naka-pagtapos ka nang college sa Manila. If Mindanao or Cebu universities can give what Manila universities are giving to the athletic varsities, bakit pa kami pupunta dyan or ma convince kaya kaming mga magulang nang mga Manila coaches during Palaro na mag-aral sa Manila mga anak namin after graduation sa high school?
butch, i think you are diverting the issue here. what we are talking about here is that if mas ok ba na magstay na lang ang isang player sa province nila para dun na lang maglaro at hindi na magtrain dito sa manila. the schools or universities na scholarship are not what we are discussing here. andf we are talking about national level players here not just those who are varsities in their respective schools.
ang training program na sinasabi ko which i really am aware of is IF sana si yan2x lariba naka undergo lang ng training na ginagawa ni coach gigi aguinalde naniniwala ako lalo pa syang gagaling!
and to add the china training that you are trying to fit into the discussion, butch alam mo ba kugn anong klaseng training dun sa china? may first hand info ka ba kung ano ginagawa sa players dun na nagtitrain? alam mo ba na if dun ka magtitrtain ka sa china pinapares sa yo yung almost ka level mo lang as player at hindi yung sobrang magaling na player nila dun? alam mo ba yun? at kahit makalaro sila sa mga malalakas dun hindi yun ganun ka dalas tulad sa inaakala mo kasi yung malalakas na players nila dun ayaw makipaglaro sayo kasi may hinahabol rin sila na laro? mas maganda if kumuha tayo ng magagaling na players sa abroad para palaruin dito sa atin against our good players kasi wla sila choice kundi makipaglaro binabayaran sila eh! at hindi lang 2 players kundi mga 4 na sari-saring players. alam mo ba nung 2005 seag yung players na kalaban nila galing china sari2x yun at hindi lang 2? alam mo ba dahil nag importy tayo ng chinese players nung 2005 kaya nakadagdag sa lakas ng players natin at nagmedal tayo?
@yogi: nde ko sinabi na me magandang system ang CDO, sa katunayan nga eh walang training program mga bata dito compare sa Cebu at Manila. For the last 2 years I stayed here, na observe ko na me isang venue ang pingpongan dito, matira ang matibay, bata man or matanda or babae kalaro mo anytime of the day. Ang classification nila during tournaments here ay iba din. Sariling sikap mga tatay pag nde maka-afford nang magaling na trainor. I would say it’s a pure talent nang bata at ang bloodline from the father or relatives na mahilig sa pingpong.
butch, you would always make ian lariba as an example. what im trying to say is mas gagaling pa sya if dito sya mag-aral at magtrain. iba ang concentration ng former national players na mga coaches dito. kasi dati lagi mo ginagawang example agad si yan2x lariba eh. pero bakit sya lang ang national level na player galing dyan?
So, against kayo sa decentralization training program ni Oskie?
masusan, i have seen coach gigi’s training and dedication sa table tennis. ultimo mga batang elementary students nakita ko yung improvement nila in a span of just 2 months plus na training./ bwenas nga ang mga taga makati na elem. students. san ka ba makakakita ng isang former national coach nanagtuturo sayo na wlang bayad at lahat tinuturo sa yo basta kaya mong gawin? i would like also to commend makati city government’s dedication sa sports not just table tennis. maganda ang support ng makati city with mayor binay together with their city administrator.. sana maging example yan sa ibang cities at hindi puro kurakot ginagawa
butch, yung decentralization ok yun if grassroots program. if yung bata gagaling sya sa decentralized grassroots program sa bawat region nila then if maka qualify sya sa national team at magtrain sa manila di ba mas maganda yun? we’re talking about national team players here not the grassroots level.
yogi, si Ian lang ang me dedicated trainor since she was a kid. Champ Nanaman of Iligan was under Tata Lamayan and Rommel Verano. Kung me dedicated trainor din si Gil Ablanque of Davao, he will be the future of TT in the Phils.
The main advantage bakit tataas ang level nang promdi when he stayed in Manila kasi maraming tournament dyan. Dito konti lang at malalayo pa ang mga venues. Cebu nga Jawad Cup lang.
Anong pagkaka-iba sa 2 Chinese coaches this year compare last 2005 imported players for coming SEAG?
Yogi bear ang galing mo! I commend you for bringing up a brilliant word of wisdom para sa mga pingpong enthusiasts natin. Ramdam ko rin na nanggaling lahat ng sinabi mo from the deepest part of your heart. You were brutally honest in your posts and I hope a lot of us in the ping pong community learns and benefit from it. Nagkautal-utal si butch sa pagsagot sayo, as in na derail ang line of reasoning at nagkaroon ng flight of ideas bigla. I agree with your observation that a remote program will not work for elite players, kahit na para sa grassroots program hindi rin ito oobra, Mr. Oskie, as a former national coach and sec gen of TATAP, is giving a remote workout for a player like Lariba proper? Is this an ethical thing to do as a former TATAP official? This is also an insult to the women’s national coach considering that Lariba is in the national team and receiving an allowance from PSC? What’s the deal? This is just a point of inquiry and clarification.
Butch naman malaki ang pagkaiba ng dalawang coaches at apat na magagaling na mga chinese pingpong players. Think deeply para malaman mo ang significance at importance nito. Use your five senses para malaman mo ok? The result of these chinese players who came to the Philippines last 2005? Dalawang medals sa SEAG kaagad. When was the last SEAG na nag medal tayo? Think Again…and post your answer, Butch. You people denies the truth. Balikan mo ang post ko regarding this chinese coaches. Walang nangyari sa stint nila dito maliban sa malaking gastos ng national government natin. Kaninong idea ba ito? Diyos ko po!
I love this kind of discussions here in Harry’s forum, very informative and educational. Lets have more of this, As I’ve said before, let’s talk sense in this forum for the benefit of Philippine table tennis. I guess it’s happening now.
@masusan: what would you do to Mr. yogi_oso haha. Bigyan ng medelya !
@stalker
Dahandahan lang, di na tuloy mababasa ang mga post mo
yung 2 chinese coach di naman talagang magaling na 2 coach yun
we cant affrod to pay very good international coach
ang fil chi nga nag assit pa sa meal allownce nila, oh boy.
as a matter of fact, dito sila,bumaba pa standrad nila. ! i would suppose.
nagkasakit pa yung isa sa pag ka homesick.
ang tama – player must punta sa enivironment na magagaling na schools of player.
like anybdy ,
cige punta ka sa mga pipityugin na lugar
peole learn form you and you, bababa standard mo.
ganyan din kaya yung mga promdi punta sa manila?
i think so.
yung environment may sinasabi yon!
ewan ko kung where i fit in the discussion.
sa magulong but hardcore and yet healthful na diskussion dito sa tatapx
magaulo dahil nawala ako ng matagal.
pero im still trying to follow trail stories andi wish to hear mo at nakikinig ako.
pete
@masusan: kaya nga ako nagtatanong tungkol sa mga imports of yesterday and today eh kasi nde ko alam at nde ko nakitang magturo or maglaro sila. For me, playing an eleven-point, it was the homecourt factor that we won the medals lalo na ang cheering nang mga kababayan natin. Winning once ay pwedeng sabihing “tsamba” lang.
Yung sinasabi nyong “national” training, bakit nde nyo rin e decentralized now for the juniors in the provinces. Pwede nyo namang e-dissiminate ang magandang training program nyo di ba? For me, ang national training na sinasabi nyo ay dapat sa mga elem. or cadet players binibigay, kapag nag champion na sila sa Palaro sa highschool, they are the ones to be trained abroad for advance training, me mga table tennis schools naman sa ibang bansa di ba? Yung mga matatalinong players dapat tulungan sila to be an academic scholars abroad para duon na rin magtatapos nang pag-aaral same time training with pingpong or DepEd will consider a “home study program” for academically talented pongers.
Inter-club competition year-round (parang PBA) ang basis nang selection for qualifying who will go to SEAG at nde sa isang “instant noodles” selection na dati nang ginagawa noon pa!
bakit mo i-dedecentralized ang training ng national players? ano ang point nun? dapat nga magkakasama sama ang mga national players kasi wla silang makalaban na mas malakas kesa sa mga kasama nila ano pa kaya kung nasa kanya-kanyang privinces nila sila? at pano mo ilalagay ang mga national coaches sa mga probinsya aber? yung mga coaches andito sa manila at mostly mga tourneys andito. ano ibig mo sabihin porke may ISANG national player lang kayo dadalhin ang training dun sa inyo? ano kayo sinuswerte? kayo ang pumunta dito sa manila kung gusto nyo gumaling. saang bansa ka ba nakakita ng decentralized na national training para sa national team? sa china nga by province sila eh at saka lang sila nagpapadala for national selection nila if napili na nila yung pinakamagaling na player nila eh. palaro champs iti-train mo for china? nahihibang ka na yata butch. magastos na nga magpadala ng national team lang sa china yung mga palaro players pa kaya na composed of elementary and high school students?? alam mo ba magkano ginastos ng gobyerno natin sa 2 chinese players? sweldo pa lang nila 50k each na! kilala ko yung 2 intsik eh at nakikita ko yun lagi naglalaro sa crame!
puro ka suggestion na magpadala ng bata sa china after manalo lang sa palaro, kung sariling pera mo sana pwede yun pero nagchamp lang sa palaro padadala mo na sa china? i do not think you have any knowledge of what is really the exact training of an athlete kasi madali ka magsabi na padala agad sa china hindi mo man lang na training dito sa pilipinas muna? ipapadala mo sa china hindi mo pa nga sure kung ok na ang basics nila eh, tapos once mapadala mo yung bata sa china dun pa sya mag-aaral ng basics and the whole time na andun sya puro basics pa matututunan nya instead sa advance level na gameplay instead dahil instead sana na advance level techniques ang tinuro nag basics pa ang bata? na gets mo ba ang logic dun butch? gagamitin ko ang wlang katapusang example mo na si baring.. uu pinadala sa china si baring pero nung pinadala sa china si baring di ba magaling na sya rito at na train na sya rito???
puro ka sabi ng suggestion mo butch magaling yan, pero mas magaling if magresearch ka muna at sana dapat practical suggestion mo hindi yung mga impossible sa current situation natin!
@yogi: “national” coaches is exclusively for Manila only. Can we have a national coach from Mindanao or Visayas ano ang criteria or qualification bilang isang national coach, pwede naman siguro ang promdi coaches muna ang turuan nang “national training program” nyo para maraming bata ang lalo pang gumaling dito sa probinsya?
I used Baring as an example because I saw him how he played in Cebu before studying in Manila, the great improvement he showed after coach Henberd O. of UST mold him to become 3-time UAAP champ and the superb performance he showed in Huaching tourney against Jon Ebuen and others AFTER the 3-month China training.
I used Ian Lariba as an example also because I saw her played in the Palaro’s, CDO tourneys when she was still 10 years old and until now she’s 14 at nakalaro ko rin ang bata.
It was my experience not a research yogi.
Bakit ba sa China gusto natin sa mga bata? pwede namang Singapore or Hongkong.
Ang mga Palaro champions hinde pa ba OK ang “basics” nila? Si Richard Gonzales, OK ba ang “basics” nya?
Baka pwede or posibleng lapitan ni Dodong Ortalla ang kababayan nya na si Manny Pacquiao for Filipino kids to be trained and lived abroad, huwag sa China baka lugaw-lugaw at noodles lang sila doon. j/k.;)
butch you are confusing the issue here. klaro ang pinag -uusapan natin is ang national tea training is different from the grassroots program sa bawat province! wla akong sinabing exclusive sa manila lang ang national coaches sabi ko andito ang concentration sa manila. ang national training program ay para sa players ng phil. team hindi sa coaches mind you. you are diverting the issue again butch. and to think yung pagiging national coach hindi yun nakukuha sa isang training lang kundi sa experience at track record. makakadevelop tayo ng program sa mga coaches sa provinces and i myself am doing something right now para magkaroon kayo sa provinces ng kahit basic training man lang galing ittf pero that is beside the point here. you seem to have the habit of going off the real discussion here butch.
“I used Baring as an example because I saw him how he played in Cebu before studying in Manila, the great improvement he showed after coach Henberd O. of UST mold him to become 3-time UAAP champ and the superb performance he showed in Huaching tourney against Jon Ebuen and others AFTER the 3-month China training.”
you still dont get the logic butch. nung pinadala si baring sa china magaling na sya at hindi sya isang palarong champ lang. at ilan ba sila pinadala sa china ng huaching? isang dosena tulad sa gusto mong elementary at high school? ung pinadala nga si baring club pa nagpadala sa kanya hindi govt natin! isipin mo gastos nun if mga batang palarong champs papadala mo 1 dozen sa china?? helo!!!
“I used Ian Lariba as an example also because I saw her played in the Palaro’s, CDO tourneys when she was still 10 years old and until now she’s 14 at nakalaro ko rin ang bata.”
ok so nakakalaro mo at nakita mo then ano? if nakakalaro mo sya never mo ba na realize na mas gagaling sya if dito sya magtraining sa manila at hindi lang dyan? you still dont get the logic here butch.
“It was my experience not a research yogi.”
you’re experience is not giving you the proper insights in your suggestions which are highly not backed up by research and mostly impractical pa.
“Bakit ba sa China gusto natin sa mga bata? pwede namang Singapore or Hongkong.”
hello!! alam mo ba ang cost of living sa hongkong at singapore especially sa singapore butch??? mahal na nga sa china magpadala ng players kahit mababa cost of living nila sa hk or singapore pa kaya??? nahihibang ka na butch at mag research ka muna!! and by the way ikaw tong from the start nag suggest ititraining ang mga bata sa china hindi kami!
“Ang mga Palaro champions hinde pa ba OK ang “basics” nila? Si Richard Gonzales, OK ba ang “basics” nya?”
using a national coach’s standard na kilala ko, yung laro ng mga bata sa palaro kelangan ipolish pa. si richard gonzales if you will ask him to show you what are the correct basics he can do those, what is your point? magaling si richard i used to see him play everyday sa crame to see ano laro nya, nakikita mo ba sya lagi???
alam mo ba kung anong tamang basics, bawat movement, bawat pivot at rotation kahit ng mga joints butch?
your zeal is appreciated butch but it clouds your judgement and way of thinking it makes you complain in everything you see but you lack the action to back your words. to top it all you always suggest these and that pero naisip mo ba na practical at kaya natin gawin in a short span of time yang gusto mong mangyari? im sorry for being blunt but that’s how i see you. i will do something for the TT community in the coming months if maplantsa ko ang dapat kong gawin kahit sa maliit na bagay lang muna. at least ako may gagawin at alam kong makakatulong to ng malaki
Thanks yogi about sa info. on tamang basic movements nang pingpong. Ang alam ko lang kasi na-ibalik at na-ayos ang slip-disc ko due to lumbar disc degeneration with pingpong warm-up calesthenics escaping me from a P200T operation.
Wala bang posibilidad na dito na lang sa probinsya ang “national training”? di ba nagawa ke Timo Boll yun nang Germany? Ang exclusive training ang dinala ke Timo in his hometown?
well germany is not separated by seas my friend. just a point to ponder.
butch, imposible sa estado ng pinas na dalhin ang national training sa probinsya. yung grassroots program pwede by region and i agree with you 100% na magkakaroon ng grassroots program thru decentralization ng grassroots but never sa national players kasi madi-defeat ang purpose ng team building at training ng national pool. si timo boll alam ko bata pa yan tinuturuan yan pero pumasok sya sa national team nagtraining pa rin sya and then went to different places like china. i think yung simula ng magandang grassroots program ay magkaroon tayo ng ITTF certification as coaching level 1.. dyan tayo magsimula and that is what me and a coach friend of mine is trying to fight for.. and a friend of mine (alam mo kung sino to butch) who is from the ITTF is willing enough to help me with that basta andyan yung proper procedure.. sana matuloy yanm lets start from that maybe educate our coaches in the provinces about the basics and let them attend an ITTF certification seminar then ituloy-tuloy natin gawin kugn san tayo makakarating
@butch sir tama po yun magandang mesa at equipment lang okay na sama na pati trainor at conditioning coach
Napaka-gandang simula ang little project na yan yogi! Madaling maka-justify mga coaches dito in going to Manila kasi ITTF certification seminar lalo na ma-tap natin ang DepEd TT coaches. Kilala ko ang chairman for DepEd VisMin coaches. Nasa akin lahat mobile numbers nang lahat nang coaches na nag attend nang seminar dito sa CDO last year.
butch hindi lang sa manila plan yung seminar. vis-min area rin. kami ang pupunta dyan if possible sa schedule
Mas OK yan! mas madaling e-justify nang mga teacher-coaches.
@yogi,
sir i would like to respectfully request if you could also assist us here in mainland palawan. i heard you have a heart for helping others.
sir alfred, ill try my best sa next time na magpapadala ang mga kakilala ko from labas including adham sharara